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                        <title>Answer to: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2021 15:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yes, you can but it is prohibitively expensive and does not protect you from overseas rascals...generally considered not worth the effort.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you can but it is prohibitively expensive and does not protect you from overseas rascals...generally considered not worth the effort.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>mark bailey</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
                        <link>https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/guitar-design-patent-and-copyright/paged/2/#post-8514</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2021 11:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Great story, but it makes me sick...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Great story, but it makes me sick...]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>mattbeels</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Answer to: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
                        <link>https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/guitar-design-patent-and-copyright/paged/2/#post-8506</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2021 03:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[On the subject of court fights over patents, even when you win you can lose.I&#039;m a Software Engineer and many years ago worked for Sensaura, a company that evolved from a 3d sound project in ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of court fights over patents, even when you win you can lose.<br />I'm a Software Engineer and many years ago worked for Sensaura, a company that evolved from a 3d sound project in EMI's Central Research Laboratories but found its success when it stopped pursuing musical applications and focused on computer games audio.</p>
<p>There were two other main players in the field, Aureal (who had some very interesting technologies) and the mighty Creative Labs, who were huge.</p>
<p>Aureal sued Creative for patent infringements, and eventually won, to the tune of millions.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for them, the costs involved in pursuing the lawsuit still bankrupted them, and they were bought out by... Creative Labs, who were big enough that the cost of the lawsuit and the payout hardly even affected them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>Jonathan Hodgson</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Answer to: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
                        <link>https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/guitar-design-patent-and-copyright/#post-8505</link>
                        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2021 02:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[If you are building a guitar for your own use, which will subsequently be passed down through your family, then you can make the most accurate copy of any guitar you like without any fear of...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are building a guitar for your own use, which will subsequently be passed down through your family, then you can make the most accurate copy of any guitar you like without any fear of prosecution so long as you, or your heirs, don’t publicise it, try to sell it and/or pass it it off as an original. In the same way, you can sit at home and paint yourself a copy of the Mona Lisa, should the mood take you, but just don’t stick it on EBay claiming it to be the original on which Leonardo based his inferior copy!</p>
<p>You can register a <i><strong>design</strong></i> in the UK for a relatively modest sum but this isn’t the same as a patent which can cost many thousands, and more likely hundreds of thousands of pounds, to file and maintain. Unless your invention is worth an absolute stack of cash, and you have the money to apply for and defend them, then patents aren’t a simple or viable option for protection. A friend of mine, who did come up with a patent worthy product, ended up selling three or four of his rental properties in order to fund the applications. If you do come up with something worthy of patent protection, and you’ve got the houses to pay for it, don’t let anybody, other than your patent lawyer, see it unless they have signed a NDA (non-disclosure agreement) otherwise they could challenge that the invention had passed into the ‘public domain’ and therefore be unpatentable.</p>
<p>My understanding is that if the functionality of your product is reliant on an obvious visual aspect of the design then this can be registered and offer at least partial protection from casual commercial copying if the copy would have to look similar to the original to achieve the same functionality. This was the basis on which I registered the design of my fret slotting jig, with the multiple rows of registration holes on the template and the 6 pin position holes in the jig forming the key elements. I am happy for anybody to make copies for their own use based on this design but I would be less keen for one of the big guitar making suppliers to start selling something that looked very similar for commercial gain. Maybe it’s just a vanity thing, but I did get a nice certificate to hang on my wall!</p>
<p>It can just end up being a fight in the courts decided by who has the most money. A number of years ago a kitchen company somehow managed to register a specific radius of 90° cupboard door and entered into several court battles to prevent others from using it. I have no idea how this got though as I can see no way that the company in question could show that the adoption of any given radius was a novel innovation or one which had not been, or could not have been, in common usage prior to their application. Certainly, the hoops I had to jump through with the fret slotting jig would suggest to me that registering a radius should have been extremely problematic if not impossible. It’s a bit like registering a length to prevent anyone else from selling anything that is 250mm long! Is simply putting two tuners on one side and four on the other such a radical idea that it could be protected? I wouldn’t have thought so unless it was also linked to novel headstock design. Simply claiming the 2+4 thing as your own, regardless of other design elements, strikes me as just too broad a claim but it would take someone with cash to challenge it.</p>
<p>Anyone up for the fight?</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Darren</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>darrenking</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
                        <link>https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/guitar-design-patent-and-copyright/#post-8483</link>
                        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2021 15:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Yeah, didn’t they go with &quot;Guitars designed by Leo” or something like that?]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Yeah, didn’t they go with "Guitars designed by Leo” or something like that?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>mattbeels</dc:creator>
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                        <title>Answer to: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
                        <link>https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/guitar-design-patent-and-copyright/#post-8459</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 21:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Thanks @jonhodgson. All interesting stuff. ✌️ 
🎸🎶🙏🙂]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks @jonhodgson. All interesting stuff. ✌️ </p>
<p>🎸🎶🙏🙂</p>
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						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
                        <link>https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/guitar-design-patent-and-copyright/#post-8458</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 21:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll agree with you, and there may be a legal argument that it&#039;s a functional decision and not really a brand identifier. I don&#039;t know if that argument has ever gone to court, or if other co...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[I'll agree with you, and there may be a legal argument that it's a functional decision and not really a brand identifier. I don't know if that argument has ever gone to court, or if other companies have just settled out of court.
The Fender headstock/body shape stuff did go through court, there's a video from Warmoth where the guy goes through the history of that.
PRS have trademarked everything they can, including the cutout scoop!

https://www.prsguitars.com/copyright

Though it seems their headstock shape has been refused trademark protection in Europe, and with the number of straight up PRS body copies out there I'm not sure they've got protection for that worldwide either.

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=21b972f2-b46a-4461-a50f-786e3e23f3df

Did you know that G&amp;L had to stop putting "Designed by Leo Fender" on their guitars, despite it being a factual statement, because Fender guitars have the right to the Fender name?]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>Jonathan Hodgson</dc:creator>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 20:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a huge Leo Fender fan. I love his Fender and Music Man designs. That&#039;s why I&#039;d like to try and emulate his styles without making exact copies of his designs but I do have trouble accepti...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm a huge Leo Fender fan. I love his Fender and Music Man designs. That's why I'd like to try and emulate his styles without making exact copies of his designs but I do have trouble accepting that someone can dictate where you can place the tuners on a headstock. 😕🤔 </p>
<p>🙂🙏🎶🎸</p>]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
                        <link>https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/guitar-design-patent-and-copyright/#post-8415</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 08:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[That’s cool! I wouldn’t copy their shape, but I really like the 2+4 arrangement. Thanks for all your info Jonathan!]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[That’s cool! I wouldn’t copy their shape, but I really like the 2+4 arrangement. Thanks for all your info Jonathan!]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>mattbeels</dc:creator>
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                        <title>RE: Guitar design patent and copyright</title>
                        <link>https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/guitar-design-patent-and-copyright/#post-8407</link>
                        <pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2021 01:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Caparison have trademarked the shape of their headstock, but not the tuner arrangement.
This stuff really is a minefield!]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[Caparison have trademarked the shape of their headstock, but not the tuner arrangement.
This stuff really is a minefield!]]></content:encoded>
						                            <category domain="https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/design-your-own-guitar/">Design Your Own Guitar</category>                        <dc:creator>Jonathan Hodgson</dc:creator>
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