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On my other build thread - https://guitarmaking.co.uk/community/showcase-electric/to-embarrass-myself-into-finishing-something/ - things were going fairly well.

I had a spare half-hour, so thought I'd nip out to the workshop quickly and do the roundover on the top (to create a natural binding edge) and then I'd be able to start the top coating.

When will I learn?  Nipping out to the workshop "quickly" generally leads to a LOT of grief.

And so ...

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Looking good!

Guess what happens next ....

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I swore.

Quite loudly.

And repeatedly.

Naughty words.

 

Best rescue that I've thought of so far is to make some sort of extended jack socket cover that folds over onto the top and is set into the top to cover the whoopsie.  No idea how I'd do that, but I'm just at the idea stage right now!

I'm not going to be able to fill or cut in another piece in any way that matches even remotely, so I think making a "feature" of it will be more effective than trying to hide it or blend it in.

The other option I've thought of is to re-shape that area - maybe put a Tele-esque flat section across the cut-out.  That's probably the easier option.

 

Anyone got any other ideas or suggestions??

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Ok ... 

I'm now calmer and have stopped swearing.

Can't hide it, so it's going to be a feature.

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One of those will fit in the jack socket hole.  The top will be visible from the front of the guitar, but it will (I'm hoping) look like a deliberate design feature to show where the jack socket is.

Which will be handy when swapping guitars on stage (let's assume the roadie has the night off, or is pissed backstage or something, so I've got to plug it in myself).

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Ah man that sucks!


   
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It is a bit of an 😱 moment but it's good that it's f**ked up nice and evenly. I think it will be quite a neat feature when you get it sorted @tv101

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Cut a larger radius half cylinder top to bottom where the damage is and have the jack in the recess……..

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Measure again.........
Sod it - make tea!


   
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Posted by: @russ

 

It is a bit of an 😱 moment but it's good that it's f**ked up nice and evenly. I think it will be quite a neat feature when you get it sorted @tv101

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As I did it and realised what had happened, my instant reaction was "oh sh*t", followed half-an-instant later by, keep going and finish the roundover on the rest of the body.

Which is what I did.

Then I swore.

It would look much worse, and the solution would be harder to see, if I'd stopped as soon as I realised that I'd done.  Sometimes it's "stop before it gets worse", but in this case, I think carry on was the better option.

Just off to the workshop now to prepare the fix.

Hopefully.

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Ah man that sucks!

You mean you don't like my special design feature???

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I feel your pain there @tv101 and I can see how easily it can happen. But on the positive side, that must be the neatest feck up that I've ever seen and it's going to be a unique feature.

What diameter is the jack socket hole, I've got a nice shiny piece of stainless steel tube that would fit in if its 25mm.


   
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Thanks @Robin - it is 25mm as it happens, but look what I did make this morning...

 

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Black walnut - so should contrast nicely with the white and the blue and the natural edge when it's all polished.

It's always going to look a bit odd, but not quite as odd as I feared it was going to look when I boo-boo'd yesterday.

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@tv101 

Black walnut - so should contrast nicely with the white and the blue and the natural edge when it's all polished.

That looks like an excellent recovery, a unique conversation piece, good work tv


   
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I've had some more thoughts ...

 

I'm (probably) going to inlay a thin walnut strip from the jack socket towards the lower knob position, sort of hinting that the walnut tube you see at the jack socket continues through to the knob position.

 

And then I'm (probably) going to make some walnut knobs, with a small inlaid walnut dot where the pointer bit would point at the "10" position.

Probably.

knob

I think that should be do-able - just might take a little time.

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Posted by: @tv101

You mean you don't like my special design feature???

🤣 😆 😉 😋 
I do like you very smart design feature, You are such an inspiration T 😎 


   
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Posted by: @koendb

🤣 😆 😉 😋 
I do like you very smart design feature, 

Thanks @koendb

 

On the one hand, I've made a lot of cock-ups.

On the other hand, I've learned a lot in putting them right!!

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Finished work on time this evening, so grabbed an hour in the workshop.

This is a bit rough - I had to use a bigger cutter than I wanted to because the bit of scrap was thicker than I needed it to be.

But as a test ... here's a wooden "knob blank".

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Now, suppose the same shape of the knob was "outlined" by an inlay in the body, around the knob?

Hmmmmmm ...

 

A couple of bits of scrap, waiting for a purpose

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A bit of fine cutting later, and "can you see what it is yet" ?  

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The ruler is there just to show the scale.  The little channel cut into the MDF is 1.7mm wide.  The piece of thin ply cut-out is 1.5mm thick.

 

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It looks like there's a gap there, but it's mainly because the ply was 1.8mm thick, and the channel is 2.5mm deep, so it's sitting a little deep in the channel and looking like there's a gap.  The extra depth is to allow for glue

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Posted by: @tv101

But as a test ... here's a wooden "knob blank".

Hi @tv101

Nice work. Did you profile it by eye or did you use a template? 🤔 

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Nice work. Did you profile it by eye or did you use a template? 🤔 

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Thanks @Russ!

1.  Drew the shape - simple drawing package

2.  Transferred that to the CNC application

3.  Pressed go.

4.  And 10 mins later - one inlay and one channel ready to be inlaid!

 

Naturally, it didn't all work first time (so it took about an hour in total from start-to-finish) as I needed to tweak some of the settings to get it to work so nicely.  But that's all part of the learning curve of using the CNC software.  Next time it should be 10mins!

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"We don't make mistakes- We have happy accidents" - Bob Ross

Nothing like some accidental inspiration. It gives it a very unique look and your fix will make it even more distinct. Maybe you'll want to do that on all your guitars from now on. It'll be part of your signature style.

So far, I've had at least one "oh s***" moment on every guitar. Including the two I'm currently working on. Good thing most mistakes like this can be fixed or worked around somehow.


   
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@tv101 I recognise those inserts!!


   
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