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syntholabo
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24/09/2019 9:44 pm  
Posted by: @markbailey

2- I've ordered an arbor press to do the frets... throat capacity is 117mm. Can I fret the neck with fingerboard glued on? I'm not sure how I would position the fingerboard once frets are in. You mentioned it in the vids at some point.

You need to make a jig that the neck sits in - a fancy neck rest. The frets over the body are a bit more tricky...I've demonstrated the best way I can think of on the course (without spending even more money!)

Ok... so DON'T buy the 1/2 tonne arbor press with 117mm throat.

Once the caul is installed you can't get the heel under the press.

I'm gonna take it back and go full tonne!


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25/09/2019 8:56 am  

In for a penny eh?!

Just to be clear to folks - You do not need a fret press to build a guitar using my methods - it is rather a luxury tool usually reserved for larger workshops making several guitars a month or more.

Use of a fret press does not guarantee success - there is still some skill involved - not least in making the jig for the neck to sit in (and possibly different jigs for - bolt on, set neck, acoustic etc).

My fret press sits in the corner mostly unused...I still prefer to bash them in with a soft faced hammer.

Having said that there is a certain undefinable pleasure in pressing them in...ooooh yeeeah!

Some tips:

  • Practice on scrap - make a test piece of fretboard with some fret slots to practice on until you have a technique.
  • Try to apply even pressure on each fret - make sure you don't crush the wood with that thing
  • Try using a smaller radius to press the ends in first (simulating my hammer technique)

Anyone else got any good Fretboard Press Arbour tips? Please chime in!

Measure twice, cut once...


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25/09/2019 10:08 am  

@syntholabo

Hi

I have to say that I'm really impressed with your workshop and extra-'specials' tools, and clamps. Did you make these after build 01? More to the point, how long was it between the completion of 01 and the commencement of 02? My wife is wondering when I'm going to put all my clamps to good use again.

Gymnasiom Maple floorboarding puts my bamboo to shame. Not that I'm competitive or anything, but it's a great use of a nice wood.

Cutting the angle of the tennon, and desperately trying to chisel a neat edge, and then dropping ut below the top edge by a whisker, was quite hard (no, really hard). Listening to a craftsman who uses measurements like "about 16.5mm", who naturally uses a ruler with 0.5mm units and whose hands appear to have the ability to adhere to these measurements, makes me question the strength of my reading glasses.

Also hearing someone say that it should look like it "grew there" tends to up the ante a bit. Though if one is going to learn from a Magister then it's worth paying attention and trying one's best (more on that one later)


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syntholabo
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25/09/2019 10:52 am  

aw thanks man- I've always had a vision of this ghostly guitar, and now I have the tools and materials!

All credit to Mark for inspiration and guidance. I built my first BYO Bailey in 2005... so that's a good while ago now.

I am taking three friends through the process as well, so we set out to build about 40 clamps before any luthery happened, which was great for initiating tool and workshop practices.

More to come, hence my wishes to get the right equipment for repeatable process.

 


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25/09/2019 11:13 am  

@syntholabo

I think I need to pay more attention to what's under my nose. I didn't see the "NEXT" button and missed pages 2/3 of your build. Only myself to blame.

Once I got started I became a bit obsessive and bored the pants of many friends with my tales of woe, and the quality of Mark's teaching. I got quite a few people interested but was convinced they were waiting for the acid test before they did anything. However, when the guitar was finished, and people could see it, it sort of went mini-viral (is that possible?) around my friends and their friends. It's surprising how many people want to make a guitar. I totally agree with you re the making of clamps as a way to get started and it must be great to work with friends on a project like this.

into synths?

 


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25/09/2019 11:29 am  

On the subject of fret pressing: There are fret pressing cauls available which you can use with a pillar drill. Does anyone happen to use these and are they any good?

Measure once, cut straight away and maybe you're lucky......


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25/09/2019 12:21 pm  

Yes- that is the type of caul that I am installing into the arbor press.

It has an 8mm shank.

I've heard people curse their installing this into their lovely drill press. Seems doable, but do you love your tools?

 


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25/09/2019 12:25 pm  

@jonathan-auckland

YES I'm into synths! I started my woodworking to make a case for my modular... got sidetracked!

I was in the band 7VWWVW (Mammal) back when synths weren't re-cool yet. Awesome LP if you can find it 😉


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25/09/2019 12:33 pm  
Posted by: @syntholabo

Yes- that is the type of caul that I am installing into the arbor press.

It has an 8mm shank.

I've heard people curse their installing this into their lovely drill press. Seems doable, but do you love your tools?

 

Well... I don't have a lovely drill press. I've got a cheap-ass one, which does the job however.... Might as well try it.... ? 

Measure once, cut straight away and maybe you're lucky......


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25/09/2019 3:53 pm  

Done two necks with a suitable hammer.........

Measure once........
Measure again.........
Sod it - make tea!


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25/09/2019 5:49 pm  
Posted by: @frocesterbill

Done two necks with a suitable hammer.........

Song lyric

Measure twice, cut once...


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25/09/2019 7:35 pm  

IMG 2360
IMG 2365

Here goes. I left the neck un-carved for this process.

The end frets are indeed trickier- especially as I didn't make my support caul wide enough. I can finish-hammer them in on the bench at least.

IMG 2371


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08/10/2019 5:55 pm  

Fret dressing question:

I found that my fret install was surprisingly good. When I took 150grit to the fretboard with a 12" radius aluminium beam, my high spots were at each end, and it took me a while to get the 7-12th frets touched. Maybe I should have stopped and called it 'relief'?

I'm worried my first fret is now low.

Trying to recrown has been puzzling- I'm using a fret crowning file with three profile options (I used the thinest one). Should there be a degree of tilting the file to knock the edges off? I notice that the overhead view of you using the expensive diamond fretting files was perfectly straight.

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21/11/2019 3:21 pm  

Slow-going update:

Finish on (5 coats of Osmo), gauge 11 strings on... gulp.

I'm still dressing the frets, which are now so low that recrowning is proving difficult. I am going to have to try with a 3-square file instead of a fret dressing grooved file. My saddle is crazy high probably... the assembled strings are >15mm off the soundboard, but the action is reasonable around 1.5 to 2 mm at twelfth fret, and also reasonable at the nut end- no buzzes.

I have no relief whatsoever, and as you'd expect the tone is a little restrained, and very buzzy on bottom E scale. I had tightened the truss rod before re-levelling since my last attempt, in order to get the middle of the neck slightly proud.

I'm hoping that further re-crowning attempts will allow some more string motion. I will try some gauge 12's to see if a bit more tension helps.

I really hope it's going to be OK. It's a bit emotional getting to the end with just a pretty bit of wood 🙁 Will post pics as soon as my fret masking tape is off.

 

 


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23/11/2019 3:05 pm  

@syntholabo

Did you release the tension on the truss rod again after levelling? More string tension will certainly help pull some relief into the neck....

fingers crossed! Let us know how it goes!!

Measure twice, cut once...


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